Years ago, I had my first experience with prolonged insomnia when new neighbors moved into the upstairs apartment and started living at around midnight every single night.
I would go to bed at perhaps 11 pm and soon thereafter the couple upstairs would come home and start walking back and forth—on top of my bedroom.
When I went to bed earlier, stomping would wake me up several times until I couldn’t fall back asleep.
It didn’t really matter when I tried to retire for the night. A few bouts of heavy walking were virtually guaranteed.
In the end, I would lie in my bed wide awake, unable to get any sleep until the early morning.
Yes, I talked to them—several times, but this didn’t solve the problem. It only soured the relationship over time.
I have since moved apartments/houses and cities multiple times for professional and private reasons.
Some neighbors are cooperative and some are light walkers so you hear nothing while their successors may walk on their heels, creating vibrations and resonances in the building.
Many people try their best, but sometimes the structure amplifies everything they do…
Through the years I have found that footfall noise coming from above is among the most difficult noise problems to mitigate.
I can tell you this though: after my first prolonged encounter with insomnia, I became passionate about tackling this problem.
In theory, the three best solutions are:
Moving to your own detached house.
Living on the top floor and being considerate yourself.
Moving into a state-of-the-art soundproofed building with decoupled floors.
But, for various reasons, these solutions weren’t always available to me, and they may not be an option for you.
So in this post, I am going a different route: one that aims to counter footfalls using some peculiarities in human hearing and sound.
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The footstep noise challenge
What can you do against footstep noise when you can’t move, have little influence over your neighbors, and can’t make any structural soundproofing modifications?
Is there even a solution?
More recently, I have been living in yet another city apartment:
My ceiling (=upstairs neighbor’s floor) is made of concrete.
The upstairs neighbor, a small lady, has tiles on her floor and she mostly walks barefoot. From the sound her walking makes, I suspect she walks on her heels.
She isn’t stomping or jumping or anything, and she mostly goes to bed at a normal time, so I definitely don’t want to bother her.
Still, her walking is on the heavy side. (I rarely heard her predecessor.)
Note: You often can’t tell from the size of a person whether they are a going to be a heavy walker.
“OK,” I thought, “Don’t get upset. This is an opportunity to try again and find an effective solution that might help me and you in the future.”
Let’s listen to some of these footsteps and look at the frequencies
(Use headphones to appreciate how this sounds. Small speakers might not properly reproduce the low frequencies.)
51 thoughts on “How to Block Loud Footstep Noise from an Upstairs Apartment?”
We have had this problem several times during holidays and are now VERY careful in choosing our apartments. It’s horrible.
Thank you for your feedback, Grace.
If it is an older building, I think the safest bet is the top floor.
The upstairs apartment may be quiet for a few months, and then a heavy walker or someone with a completely different lifestyle moves in.
Thank you for your super-usable advice, which is very concrete and should reach as many people (who experience this problem) as possible. Only people who have had that kind of bad experience can appreciate the wisdom in this text.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for your kind words, Joze.
I was somewhat surprised, actually, how much can be done about footfalls.
Please share it with whoever may benefit and let me know if you find ways to improve on the solution.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep.
Have a great day.
Omg thank you. You are a life saver. I just moved into the perfect apartment but didn’t realize how loud upstairs neighbors can be! (previously I was on the top floor and didn’t realize how good I had it). I didn’t know about auditory masking before. This information completely changes the game… Thank you soooo much.
Indeed, noise masking has been one of my most effective sleep savers as well.
I hope everything works out with your upstairs neighbors and that you can be at ease in your new apartment.
This is a valuable, informative piece. My landlords started airbnbing the apartment above last year. Having previously had issues I told them it was not ideal and that there would be problems with people coming and going and not truly understanding the noise they create below. As predicted, it’s been an awful year.
I have looked at a few models that have advertised as having a spectrum of frequencies. Do you have any experience or suggestions for a brown-noise machine that’s good for footfall frequencies? Thanks again for this great article.
Yes, I can imagine that being a big headache. How can you establish any kind of rapport with upstairs neighbors when they change every couple of days?
As to the white noise machine:
I am afraid a standard white noise machine won’t be enough to mask the low-frequency type of footfalls described in my post.
I used the Lectrofan EVO, but I didn’t use its internal speaker. (Well, I tried initially but that didn’t work.) I plugged it into a much larger speaker.
The EVO has a good selection of brown noises that can be accessed via the headphone jack.
Its internal speaker, as well as the speaker of all white noise machines I have come across so far, doesn’t go low enough (at least not with enough sound pressure).
This is not a criticism of white noise machines. They can do a lot but they have to be portable and that limits the speaker size.
If the footfalls in your apartment sound anything like mine, you want to deploy a much larger speaker, e.g., your home audio system or a subwoofer.
As described in my post, you can then also use an app like myNoise to produce these deep brown noises.
Thank you so much for this article. I´m having the same exact problem and didn´t know what to do. Do you think Sony 1000XM2 would work as well? I can find it a little cheaper than 1000XM3.
Also, do you know any ear plugs that attenuate low frequencies?
the Sony 1000X-M2 headphones’s noise cancelling is very good; it is a bit weaker than the M3’s but not much. So I think they could be quite effective. Unfortunately, I currently don’t have the M2, otherwise I would have done a test.
When they came out, I tried them, and I remember the headband stood out a lot more. The M3 headband conforms better to the head.
Also, they weren’t quite as comfortable. Compared to the Bose QC35, the difference in wearing comfort was a lot larger than with the M3.
For that reason, I would go with the M3 if the price difference isn’t too large.
As to the earplugs, I find Flents Quiet Time quite effective. Please note, you need to insert foam earplugs quite deep for good low frequency performance.
Perhaps try deep brown noise together with earplugs first if you already have a good audio system.
Hi Pa,
The Sony WH-1000XM3 work well against a 50 Hz hum. I just tried them against a 50 Hz hum at 70dB and they rendered it virtually unnoticeable.
All the best.
It seems that you are the most helpful expert in this part of the world.
I think people in our country (South Korea) would be really surprised to know this website.
I think all the writings are really neat and high-quality.
Thank you so much.
I have a question.
I went to a Sony store in Korea and bought the WH-1000XM4.
Could there a difference in the noise cancelling performance between different units?
My XM4’s ANC is definitely working, but when testing it with a generated 63Hz sound (65 dB average, Marshall speaker), the noise is still recognizable.
Of course, I finished NC optimization.
The ANC works because I can hear a very clear difference between ANC on and off.
Your m3 makes 50Hz (70dB) noise almost unrecognizable, but while my m4 cancels 63Hz (65dB), it remains recognizable.
And you said that you blocked 63Hz 65dB from being recognizable with Bose QC35 in your previous post (https://earo-plugs-shop.com/humming-noise-bedroom/%3C/a%3E%29.%3Cbr/%3E
You just turned on ANC and didn’t play anything, right?
If it’s an individual difference, I honestly feel like getting an exchange… 🙁
Sam
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I don’t know whether there is a noticeable performance difference between different M4 units. Given the price, I hope not but I only have one pair of M4 (and one pair of M3). I have, however, experienced a variance in the ANC of cheaper headphones from a different manufacturer (I was able to test 3 units of the same model), so it is possible.
If you are not satisfied with the performance, and it is easy to exchange the headphones, why not give that a try. Before doing that, I would make sure that you are on the latest firmware.
That said, there are also other things at work here:
1. The M4 (and the M3) perform indeed better at 50 Hz than at 60 Hz. For my M4, the ANC performance difference between 50 Hz and 60 Hz is about 5 decibels, which is substantial: a hum with a peak at 50 Hz is more effectively cancelled by the M4 than one at 60 Hz.
2. Our hearing is less sensitive at 50 Hz than at 60 Hz (and the curve is quite steep). The lower the frequency the more sound pressure you need to hear the sound. (Try adjusting your speaker volume at 60 Hz so that you can barely here the sound and then reduce the frequency to 50 Hz but keep the volume the same. Can you still hear the sound?)
3. There can be a large difference between different sound level measuring apps. Ideally you would need a calibrated sound level meter.
Note: the hum I experienced in the humming noise article is not the same as the pure tone that many sound generators generate and the peak was actually also at 50 Hz. Take a look at the second screenshot in that article to see that peak more clearly.
First I would like to appreciate you for writing this wonderful post. Whoever has ever experienced this footsteps problems will understand the importance of this post.
I have two elephants living upstairs with their unruly child. It’s a nightmare; always moving furniture; the child throws toys on the floor and runs around; stomping; thumping, etc. Because of the corona thing, I have to work from home as offices are closed. Right now I am using the 3M work tunes, which are Bluetooth headphones. They have passive noise isolation with a NRR of 24. They block out the noise of talking, the hum of refrigerator, and the washing machine noise completely. However, they are no good at cancelling this footsteps noise, which can be a real pain. I am going to try the Sony WH-1000XM3. Hope the ANC solves my problem during work.
As for sleeping, I use the HEAROS Xtreme Protection ear plugs that have a rating of NRR 33. Once they go in deep, even if the elephants above my head are dancing, I can’t hear a thing. At least I get a good night’s sleep.
I have both the Worktunes Bluetooth earmuffs and the Hearos foam earplugs you are mentioning.
In my experience, for low frequencies up to about 400 Hz, the Sony ANC headphones are a lot more effective than both the earmuffs and the earplugs.
It would be Sony > Hearos > Worktunes.
So if your footsteps sound similar to the sound sample in my post (i.e., ” umpf, umpf,” = the low frequency type), I expect you’ll get a lot more relief with the Sony.
As to moving furniture, if this means screeching noises caused by pulling chairs over a tiled floor or similar, you would get more mid- and even high-frequency noise. For this, your Worktunes earmuffs should be just as good or even better.
Apart from their ANC, the Sony headphones are also very decent at passively reducing noise (they are among the best over-ear headphones for this) but not as good as good earmuffs.
Greetings,
I, too, have the herd of elephants living above me. I invested all my hard earned earnings to purchase this condo. I thought it was the home of my dreams, until it wasn’t, until I heard my neigbours above me, constantly, stomping and banging on the hardwood floors.
I forgot what it is like to experience peace! I approached them, thinking that perhaps they weren’t aware they were causing such a racket. They reported me to the Condo Police and threatened me with a hearing, etc. etc. revoking my privileges.
Who knew? I feel like I am living in hell or at least the gates of hell! When I made a complaint , they made it worse, literally stomping even louder and more often.
I am just starting to look at noise cancelling earphones. Lesson learned? Only purchase, rent, or lease a top floor! Hardwood floors might look great but if you are not on a top floor, reconsider. So glad for the post!
I tried the following in the store: Sony WH-1000XM3, Bose 700, Bose 35 QCII, and BW PX7. Sony’s ANC beats the others hands down (Not a post for: build, sound quality, comfort, etc.). So I picked the Sony.
Works like a charm. All the low-frequency sounds are gone! I used an app on my phone to measure the frequencies at which this thumping, stomping, running, and footsteps sound occurred. Several peaks in range of about 75–80Hz to about 200–250Hz.
Also, as you correctly pointed out, they are also great at attenuating the mids and the highs and are as good as the ear muffs. Can’t hear talking or screeching as well.
To summarize, Sony’s WH-1000XM3 will give you a ton of relief (Complete relief for me—YMMV). If you sleep on the side like me, HEAROS work well.
I am glad you have found relief from these obnoxious footsteps.
Looking at the frequencies you have measured: yes, Sony WH-1000XM3 are good at cancelling noise in that range. It is very helpful that you were able to report specific frequencies and that the noise reduction was enough.
As for screeching and talking, I’d like to add a comment so that other readers don’t get unrealistic expectations:
Yes, the Sony are good at passive noise isolation as well, so they do reduce this kind of noise too.
And as you have reported, in your case this noise reduction was enough.
However, at coffee shop noise level, you will hear some screeching and talking, albeit quieter. (if you don’t listen to a masking sound through the headphones.)
For mid-frequency noise (from about 400 Hz) the Sony headphones actually under-perform NRR 30 earmuffs.
(Unfortunately, even the muffs won’t completely eliminate loud chatter.)
On the other hand, with your headphones you can get much more relief from these low-freq. footfalls and more comfort.
Thank you for your article, I’m still experimenting with the brown noise.
My neighbor’s footfall is much louder than yours. I am not sure how they walk. How would you suggest adjusting the brown noise in the app? And I’m using a Bose Revolve speaker, and the app is quite soft even though it’s already half of the volume coming from my iPhone.
Unfortunately, even the most comfortable ear plugs put pressure on my ear canal and I have not been getting good sleep for 6 months. Appreciate your suggestion. Thank you.
First, do your neighbor’s footfalls sound like the sounds in the recording (“umpf,” “umpf”)?
(You have to listen with headphones to hear the lower frequencies.)
If yes, then you have to focus on the bass frequencies as described in this post.
If they sound much higher pitched, skip to “klang,” “klang” below.
It is quite possible that the Bose Revolve doesn’t reproduce the bass frequencies with enough volume.
(If the speaker doesn’t get close enough to the footfall frequencies, you’ll still hear them even if you crank it up all the way.)
It is a nice speaker, but still quite small. I am thinking more Bose subwoofer size or large Hi-fi speaker.
If you have headphones, try the app with headphones first. Good headphones can reproduce much lower frequencies than the Revolve.
If you don’t have any and just want something to try this, the on-ear Panasonic RP-HT21 are usually very inexpensive and have a good bass response.
Don’t shy away from making it loud (temporarily) to see whether the footfalls are being masked when you crank up the brown noise via your headphones.
If they are being masked, you have to get a speaker that can reproduce the bass you need or keep using the headphones.
And you have to deal with the earplug-issue to lower the overall volume.
(I wouldn’t be able to sleep well with loud dark-brown noise without earplugs or another form of noise reducing device.)
Alternatively, you could try noise cancelling headphones (the Sony mentioned in this post if you are a back sleeper) or noise cancelling earbuds (unlike earplugs, they only go as deep as the ear canal entrance). I have recently reviewed a pair with very good low frequency noise reduction, the 1More Dual Driver ANC Pro (link to my review).
If you have normal headphones, use those first to see whether you are on the right track, or make sure you can return the noise cancellers if they don’t perform for you.
Now if your footfalls sound more like “klang,” “klang,” I would start with flat sliders in myNoise. That gives you pink noise.
Make it as loud as necessary to mask the footfalls. This may again be quite loud. You can increase the overall volume and move the sliders all the way up.
Then start moving the sliders down from the right (from the treble frequencies) until the footfalls just start coming back. Then go a bit higher to make them again disappear.
Now do the same from the left (the bass) in the same manner.
That gives you an idea of the settings you would need for footstep noise that extends into higher frequencies.
Again you would now ideally use earplugs to reduce the overall volume.
If this is not possible, you could again use noise cancelling headphones or earmuffs (not that comfy but some people do well with them) to lower the overall volume.
I hope this helps a bit.
All the best.
Hi, I have same problem with super heavy footsteps except I am already on the top floor and the noise is coming from the apartment next to me. Neighbor also slams his doors. I have tried playing the dark brown noise, which helps a small amount, but I think my next step is to try louder volume. Could you recommend the PC speaker system that you used with your Evo? I have also purchased the Evo white noise machine, but it is not loud enough on its own 🙁
Hi Mary,
It is important that the brown noise / white noise matches the frequency spectrum of what you want to mask (i.e., it needs to sound like the footsteps, albeit continuous) and that it is louder than the footsteps.
The speaker in this article is actually a portable PA (professional audio) speaker, not a PC speaker.
It is large (10x11x25 inches) and geared towards outdoor singing and events. It has a built-in lead-acid battery (like a car).
I used this speaker because I already had it for a different purpose (but it can produce lower frequencies than the Lectrofan and it can do so at a sufficient volume). It is powerful, but not the best sounding for home audio.
I recommend you use a home stereo system instead, such as a decent subwoofer with two satellite speakers.
If you are unsure whether this can work for you in principle, you could use headphones first (good ones can produce the frequencies you need). If you don’t have any, the very inexpensive Panasonic RP-HT21 (should be on Amazon) have a good bass response.
Connect your headphones to your EVO. Play the EVO, starting from white noise #1 and set it loud to mask the footsteps. If you hit max. volume, but still hear the footsteps, cycle through the white noises until you find the one that masks the footsteps best.
(Alternatively, you can also try the app mentioned in the article.)
If this looks good, I recommend one of these approaches:
1. Keep using these headphones (and perhaps wear earplugs underneath).
2. If you are a back sleeper, noise cancelling headphones like the Sony mentioned in the post will help a lot because they reduce the footsteps and door slamming so you will be able to play your white noise much quieter than with normal headphones.
3. Use your home stereo system or buy one (subwoofer + two satellites). Again I would wear earplugs to reduce the overall noise level. This approach may be attractive for side sleepers.
Just want to say you saved our lives here! After four happy years, we got a new upstairs who (between he, his GF, and their against-building-reg cat) take shifts thumping 24/7. It’s fine during the day, since we both already wear noise cancelling headphones for work, but has been killing our sleep. Until, that is, we applied your instructions above to our Sonos One.
55 db measured-at-pillow was just enough to make the unexpected foot-falls melt into the background of “normal” NYC ambient sounds, complemented by the fan we’ve always run for white noise. I’m waking up today with the first good night rest I’ve had in a long time!
My only Q is you say “This setup should also work without earplugs, but I would not listen to constant noise that loud throughout the night.” I can’t wear earplugs without getting major irritation unfortunately. If I bump things up to 60 am I taking a risk of some kind? My brief research suggests not but want to make sure I’m not missing anything!
Thank you for your feedback. I am glad it’s helping.
As to your question, re playing white noise at up to 60 dB without earplugs.
For adults, the main issue I currently see is possible sleep disruption. Unfortunately, I can’t guarantee that there aren’t any others.
I sleep better when I keep the white noise at a lower sound level. The earplugs take care of that for me.
On the other hand, I have also suffered from prolonged insomnia caused by thumping noises, and I found that to be worse, much worse.
So, personally, if I couldn’t wear earplugs at all, I would try white noise at the level you are suggesting. But that’s me.
FYI, there has been a short-term 60 dB white noise study that looked into helping people to sleep better amidst loud intermittent ICU noise.
The result: Despite increasing the average overall sound level, adding white noise significantly reduced the number of arousals. The difference was substantial.
Thank you sooo much for your article. So much great information. I don’t feel quite so alone, especially reading all of the other comments made! I too have new neighbours who are elephants. They are both very heavy. They sleep in separate rooms so I can’t even use my spare room for respite! The main problem is sudden and sporadic ‘bangs’ on the floorboards, like bowling balls falling from a great height. And the windows being opened and slammed shut throughout the night to allow for [admin edit] puffing. I’m a night owl, going to bed at midnight, but the male is already in the room above me at that time, and the crashing about will go on until he conks out at 4am if I’m lucky.
I have a Lectrofan but just the original, not the Evo. It has been a life-saver. I have it on a fan setting just now, pretty loud. But have to wear pink noise at a medium volume in my headphones throughout the night too. I’d prefer not to wear the headphones as I don’t feel it’s good for my ears, but find it hard to tune into the machine as he’s already stomping about when I go to bed. I’m wondering if my placement of the machine could be better to drown out more noise? The windows are to the left of my bed, but I place the Lectrofan about a foot away from the end of my bed on the right hand side of the room (just because it is convenient as there is a dresser there). Any advice would be much appreciated. You are saving lives with this post Helmut! (Ps the Lectrofan original does not have a headphone jack point).
I wish we could all live on the top floor or just swap floors with the neighbors for a few nights to show them.
If I understand you right, you have your Lectrofan at the foot end of your bed.
I put the Lectrofan on my nightstand pretty close to where my head comes to rest. I would try that.
That way it is easier to experiment with different sounds and volume levels and see whether the machine can do the job.
Since you are able to help yourself with additional pink noise played via headphones, it is also possible that the Lectrofan’s speaker doesn’t produce low-enough frequencies to mask the low-frequency noise your upstairs neighbors create. (That is what I found in my case.)
The EVO has a headphone jack, but its speaker doesn’t go lower than the Classic’s (I have both), so you would again end up using headphones.
If you have a larger home audio speaker (or even a subwoofer), try playing your pink noise or an even more low-frequency-emphasizing brown noise (e.g., created by myNoise) as described in this post via that speaker to mask your upstairs neighbor and get rid of your headphones.
You may even find that combining the Lectrofan on your nightstand for the mid frequencies with a larger speaker further away for the lower end to work best.
(Then, if you need, you could add earplugs to lower the overall volume.)
I understand this sounds like a bit of a hassle, but it did the trick for me.
Thank you so much for the suggestions! You are right, the Lectrofan is at the foot of my bed. I think I will try to put it on my nightstand tonight, nearer to my bed. I’ll look into a subwoofer too. Thank you. Oh, I think that suggestion would work wonders. I was lucky to have 3.5 years of peace in my flat before the elephants came to town! But in future I’ll look for a top floor flat!
Hello Helmut,
I’m not sure if you received my reply that I left during the week. But I just wanted to give you an update. I’ve repositioned my Lectrofan to my bedside table, and have it on the first white noise setting, which is brown noise and the lowest frequency (which you recommended). I put it up high, and put earplugs in, as you’d also recommended. Well, I’ve done this for 3 nights, and slept 9hrs each night. I can’t quite believe it. I’ve not been disturbed by the neighbours at all. You don’t realise how much your article means to me, and your advice. I honestly thought I’d never find a solution to this, and would have to wait until the chunky couple split. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’d forgotten what it’s like to have a good night’s sleep!
Hello Lucy,
Thank you for coming back and providing feedback. It is very uplifting to hear the post is making a difference.
I am glad you have found a solution. Wow, three days in a row nine hours of sleep! I envy you.
Hi Lucy, Did you hook the Lectrofan up to a subwoofer like he suggested or just played it from it’s own speaker? I am too having an issue with heavy walkers upstairs that apparently never sleep because it goes on all night & day. I also have a guest room that I cannot utilize because the stomping is going on above both bedrooms!! Thank you!
Hi Helmut, firstly you are a true genius and life-saver to so many – thank you for such an educated and useful article!
I have been using some of your suggestions since we have extremely inconsiderate and almost intentionally loud stomping (jumping?) and running neighbors upstairs. We tried everything first (went with cookies and greetings), subtle requests and even reporting to the community but nothing has worked so far. I would have normally switched to experimenting with your suggestion with creating brown and white noise but I have a slightly unique challenge unfortunately. We are expecting our first baby next month and the current constant untimely hours stomping wakes up and affects my wife’s health and sleep. I am even more worried about what happens when the baby comes and the white/brown noise at high volumes being bad for their hearing possibly?
I was thinking of instead accurately recording the severity of their noise so I am able to push them or the community to try and make them understand (and spare me for a couple of months until the baby is slightly old and we can move out if possible).
Appreciate your suggestions on how to record these sounds appropriately for showing evidence of their noise/impact.
I second that: record the stomping noise. Since you are regularly exposed to stomping, you should have a good chance to capture some good samples.
I think most people are easier convinced when they hear the noise than when they see abstract sound levels in decibels, even when precisely logged.
You need to use full-spectrum recording because you also want to capture low frequency noise. Some voice recording software (and hardware) will filter lower frequencies to reduce background noise.
And, when you replay the sounds, use headphones / ask the people you want to take note to use headphones.
Small phone speakers can’t reproduce low-frequency stomping properly!
I have used Voice Record Pro by Dayana Networks for iOS (App store) quite a bit.
Use record quality: high
M4A (AAC) 44100 Hz, 16 Bit Stereo (wav files get large quick)
The built-in microphone of an iPhone or iPad should be good enough for this.
I have a calibrated external measuring microphone, but have done plenty of good recordings with the built-in mic.
You want to be ready at a moment’s notice.
Level check to adjust the input gain while you hear stomping so that the peaks are between -6 and -3 dB.
Then press Record.
Helmut, I just want to start by thanking you for such a fabulous website. It’s almost ridiculous the amount of time I’ve spent doing research on noise disrupting my sleep, and I can say that your articles have by far been the most helpful.
For one, I discovered how much difference it made to insert my earplugs deeper and with more care. Thank you.
I would love to get your take on my current conundrum. The previously vacant upstairs has had people for several months now and I am many months sleep deprived. It is greatly impacting my health. Deeper insertion with earplugs has helped somewhat, but I am trying to figure out my next step. (The footsteps is the main part, but dropping things, sliding doors, kitchen clanging, and dogs scampering are all a part of it). I don’t own any speakers, standard or subwoofer.
I’m both a side and stomach sleeper. I’m trying to figure out if I should buy ANC earbuds and play brown noise through those, buy over-the-ear ANC to wear over my earplugs (and just learn to sleep with them), or buy a cheaper standard (non noise cancelling) on-ear headset to play brown noise over my earplugs (and learn to sleep)?
I’m more concerned with the noise part then the sleep comfort right now.
The last thing to note, and also why I’d love your thoughts, is that I want a wired headset without Bluetooth. I’m EMF sensitive so this is important for me- I get sick otherwise. Finding an older version on eBay might be the way to go for the ANC varieties as that would be wired and cheaper, but I don’t know how well they perform.
I would appreciate so much any thoughts on this matter. Thank you immensely!
From your description, it sounds to me like you are exposed to both low frequency as well as higher frequency noise.
My first step would be to swap out the earplugs to further optimize low frequency noise reduction (i.e., reduce stomping noises). Depending on your ear canal, your earplugs might not give you the optimum, regardless of how deep you insert them.
If you haven’t yet, try the cylindrical Flents Quiet Please (here is a post with low frequency noise test results for these and other earplugs.)
Find an impact noise source in your apartment to test how well your plugs work and play with the fit.
To test this, I often slam the door of my fridge’s freezer compartment (in the daytime), which produces a nice, full “bumm sound.”
With the Quiet Please well inserted, the sound turns into something meek, more like “bing,” i.e., the lower frequencies have been attenuated well.
If this works for the stomping, and you find that now mid-or-high frequency noise is coming through too loud, add a white noise machine to mask these frequencies. I recommend the Lectrofan Classic (review post; it has no Bluetooth or any kind of radio) for this purpose.
That way you could alternate between stomach and side sleeping without any issues.
Almost all active noise cancelling earbuds have weak points in their ability to reduce noise.
Some very good ones reduce a certain narrow low frequency range by 30 decibels (e.g., the wired Bose QC20), which is great for use cases like commuting, but offer much less noise reduction in the lower mids, perhaps only 15 decibels. Moreover, there are very few ANC earbud alternatives without Bluetooth on the market. (The QC20 are the only wired ones I would consider.)
They could be OK against some stomping noise, but your noise portfolio sounds quite broad to me.
You could perhaps make them work but would likely have to play your brown noise loud to compensate for the weaknesses. Since you don’t mind earplugs, I would try other foam earplugs first.
Wearing over-ear noise cancelling headphones on top of foam earplugs is a different story:
That could give you a lot more overall noise reduction as well as add to the earplugs in the low frequency range.
Since you need wired-only, the Bose QC25 come to mind. I find them very comfy. They are the most effective strictly-wired ANC headphones I am aware of (no Bluetooth). They use a replaceable AAA battery, which I consider an advantage.
I have often used such a setup on long distance flights. Like with any used item, make sure that you get a pair that is in good working order and that you can return them if they are faulty.
They could be worn on top of your earplugs and you could add white noise on top of that.
The main issue I see with this solution is sleeping on the side. If you must sleep on the side, try the headphones with a horseshoe-shaped travel pillow.
Normal over-ear and on-ear headphones without ANC are also worth a try. They can work on top of earplugs and would be more economical.
On the other hand, good ANC headphones work a lot better in the low frequency range, in case your earplugs don’t reduce enough. They also passively isolate pretty well and add to the overall noise reduction.
I don’t know whether u got my earlier comment.
I am having sleep problem in the morning due to footstep noise from upstairs.
It’s not that loud but being a light sleeper I get disturbed. I moved here a month ago. At first, there was no problem but since a week, I started noticing it. Now that I know the noise is there, I even wake up in anticipation. I have used a fan, but I can still feel it.
Will the Lectrofan be effective? I don’t think I can use earplugs. My ears hurt with them. Please help.
I don’t know what kind of footstep noise you are hearing, but if it sounds like the stomping noise in the sample in this post (listen with headphones), the Lectrofan will likely not work all by itself.
You would have to use good foam earplugs to get rid of the lower frequency parts.
If it is more like “tapping noise,” you have a better chance with the Lectrofan.
If you don’t have a larger speaker try this:
Use good headphones/earbuds and play white noise through the app mentioned in this post. You can also go to the website.
Please check this post carefully for details.
You need headphones which allow you to hear the noise produced by the dark brown, and, in particular the red slider in the app at a good volume.
First go with the default setting (which should be pink noise) and increase the volume until the pink noise masks the footsteps.
If this succeeds, adjust the sliders down to zero starting from the left.
After each slider, check whether the footsteps are coming back.
If the footsteps come back after the first and second sliders (brown, red) are down to zero, the Lectrofan most likely won’t work.
If they only come back after the orange slider is also down to zero, you have perhaps a 40 percent chance with the Lectrofan.
If they only come back after the left-most green slider is set to zero, you have a good chance, provided the footsteps are not too loud.
In any case, you can now also use the headphones to mask the footsteps or get some in which you can sleep. You should also have a better idea whether the Lectrofan can solve your problem.
If you succeed with the headphones but find the white noise too loud, consider using active noise cancelling headphones. They can make a big difference and would allow you to play the noise at a lower volume.
Thank you so much for providing this guidance. I used to go to bed at 1am, because one of my neighbors would loudly walk around until then. But another neighbor’s footsteps would wake me up at 6am. Consistently getting only 5 hours of sleep, and being startled awake by heavy footsteps, was starting to wear on me and impact my mood, my work, my life.
I tried to speak to some of my neighbors, but while they were apologetic, they weren’t willing to make any changes.
I tried putting a thick sound dampening mat under my bed, rubber strips under my wooden mattress slats, and using the Dohm white noise machine, but I was still waking up to footsteps.
I found your article and immediately downloaded the myNoise app and grabbed my UE Wonderboom 2 bluetooth speaker. The “deep brown” white noise, paired with the bass-heavy speaker, totally worked for me! It masked the heavy heel-strike footsteps enough to keep me asleep. I feel so invigorated right now after a quality night of sleep.
I am incredibly grateful for your research. Thank you for sharing your findings with us! Thank you thank you thank you!
thank you for your feedback. I am glad it is working for you.
The Dohm’s sound is loudest in the mid frequencies, which some people find very soothing.
My experience concurs with yours: that sound isn’t well suited for masking stomping noises (and other lower frequency sounds).
All the best.
I am excited to try this to see if it works for me. I don’t have a large speaker like you have, but I do have a JBL Extreme 3 bluetooth speaker. Do you think that’d be as effective?
I read some comments about different ear plugs I am going to try. Thank you for this! I have been sleep deprived for 7+ months now. The people above me stomp around ALL night.
You already have your JBL speaker, so it is definitely worth a try.
I just looked at the specs and it looks like a fairly powerful speaker.
I expect it to produce lower frequencies than the Lectrofan (and at a higher volume if needed).
Try myNoise (take a look at the EQ settings in this post) and just stream from your phone to the speaker. (myNoise is available for iPhone and Android. Link in the post.)
You don’t need a Lectrofan EVO to produce the brown noise. The app can produce the frequencies and you can use its EQ to fine tune the noise for your speaker.
Hello Sean,
I understand this concern. I have some ideas how to remedy this in the post How to Hear Your Alarm Clock with Earplugs.
But yes, to not hear someone stomping in an upstairs apartment, you may have to seriously isolate yourself.
All the best.
Your page comforts me so much. I moved into a new flat, and my room is just under the room of two kids who like to run and stomp on the floor. I can’t focus and study or just relax.
The good thing is that around 8pm they go to sleep so the nights are quiet until 7/8am when they wake up every morning. What a pain to be waking up from deep sleep.
I have been addicted to white noise (vacuum, hair dryer sounds) for many years, but I have never tried brown noise. Is there any difference?
I want to buy ANC headphones: Bose 700 or Sony wh-1000XM5. Which ones are the best in your opinion? THe XM3 that you have can be good too but if I can get a new model with better performances, I’ll gladly buy it for my mental health and peace.
I am also considering the Hearos Earplugs in combination with ANC headphones even though I am not used to this at all.
I have listened to the noise samples, and it sounds kind of like this when they walk above me. It’s an old building and they are living on the top floor, so my ceiling is very low and less soundproof compared to others apartments in the building.
An answer will be more than welcome 🙂
Cheers from Germany!
these unpredictable stomping noises are amongst the worst.
As to brown noise, compared to white noise and pink noise it has more energy in the bass frequencies. Its intensity decreases much faster as the frequency increases, so it sounds darker. This is good if you need to mask more bass-heavy sounds like stomping.
I recommend you download the myNoise app and just play with the settings. Use your current headphones/earbuds. That will give you a good feel for the sound. Select brown noise and then adjust the EQ to get an even darker sound.
As for noise cancelling headphones, at this point, against stomping I would get the WH-1000XM4.
I have both the M3 and the M4. After testing and using them for quite a while, I can say that the M4 are a somewhat more effective in the low frequency range, but they share the same fold-able design with the M3. They also have a couple of other advantages such as multipoint pairing.
I have only briefly tried the M5 in a shop but I am holding off.
Currently, their auto ANC optimization cannot be disabled, which in some cases can lead to worse performance in the low frequency range. In your particular case, you want to fend off sudden noises and not have the headphones possibly decide that you don’t need maximum noise cancellation at that particular moment.
I think there is a chance that the M5 might receive a firmware update that allows for more control and manual optimization (as you can do with the M4 and M3) but I obviously can’t know for sure.
All the best.
I have found that I can run a waterfall sound (mixed with some pink noise) from the “Sleep Sounds” android app into my iLoud studio monitor speaker (which is small but still has good bass response down to 40 Hz) and it works better than brown noise. Having a wired connection to a dedicated phone has gotten around the BLE and android drop outs that used to wake me. The waterfall sound in this app, seems to have “splooshes” of water on semi-random intervals that are similar to a footfall impact. This way even if the footfalls come through some, they aren’t that different from the impacts inherent in the waterfall recording that are semi-random, and so they don’t “pop out” and wake me up.
Hi Isaac,
many thanks for your feedback.
Indeed, many sounds can be used to mask footfalls, the most important point being that your sound has enough energy in the frequencies most prominent in the footstep sounds you have in your house.
I have experimented quite a bit with a variety of different sounds, including waterfalls sounds and underwater sounds against low-frequency thumps.
A potential issue with “splooshes” is that they can become startling all by themselves (in particular with low-frequency heavy waterfalls), which is why I typically use and recommend a more steady customized brown noise (see EQ screenshot in this post). Too much variation keeps me from getting into a deeper sleep stage.
But people are different. I am glad you have found something that works for you.
All the best.
Omg I have the exact same problem. The first recording of the footsteps you put up on this website sounds eerily like what I am experiencing 🙂
I am somewhat luckier that the sound don’t come when I am sleeping. More during day time when I am working from home. It is not loud, just super irritating like a co-worker kicking on the legs of your office desk every few minutes. I need a lot of focus for my work and it drives me crazy sometimes.
I will definitely try the methods discussed here. Thanks a million !!!
Thank you for stopping by and sharing your experience.
Yes, during the day, you definitely have more options. Over-ear ANC headphones, for example, are challenging for side sleeping, but I can wear them for many hours sitting at my desk.
I hope you find relief. All the best.
We have had this problem several times during holidays and are now VERY careful in choosing our apartments. It’s horrible.
Thank you for your feedback, Grace.
If it is an older building, I think the safest bet is the top floor.
The upstairs apartment may be quiet for a few months, and then a heavy walker or someone with a completely different lifestyle moves in.
Thank you for your super-usable advice, which is very concrete and should reach as many people (who experience this problem) as possible. Only people who have had that kind of bad experience can appreciate the wisdom in this text.
Thank you.
Thank you very much for your kind words, Joze.
I was somewhat surprised, actually, how much can be done about footfalls.
Please share it with whoever may benefit and let me know if you find ways to improve on the solution.
I hope you get a good night’s sleep.
Have a great day.
Omg thank you. You are a life saver. I just moved into the perfect apartment but didn’t realize how loud upstairs neighbors can be! (previously I was on the top floor and didn’t realize how good I had it). I didn’t know about auditory masking before. This information completely changes the game… Thank you soooo much.
Thank you for your kind words Lily.
Indeed, noise masking has been one of my most effective sleep savers as well.
I hope everything works out with your upstairs neighbors and that you can be at ease in your new apartment.
This is a valuable, informative piece. My landlords started airbnbing the apartment above last year. Having previously had issues I told them it was not ideal and that there would be problems with people coming and going and not truly understanding the noise they create below. As predicted, it’s been an awful year.
I have looked at a few models that have advertised as having a spectrum of frequencies. Do you have any experience or suggestions for a brown-noise machine that’s good for footfall frequencies? Thanks again for this great article.
Hello Jeff,
Yes, I can imagine that being a big headache. How can you establish any kind of rapport with upstairs neighbors when they change every couple of days?
As to the white noise machine:
I am afraid a standard white noise machine won’t be enough to mask the low-frequency type of footfalls described in my post.
I used the Lectrofan EVO, but I didn’t use its internal speaker. (Well, I tried initially but that didn’t work.) I plugged it into a much larger speaker.
The EVO has a good selection of brown noises that can be accessed via the headphone jack.
Its internal speaker, as well as the speaker of all white noise machines I have come across so far, doesn’t go low enough (at least not with enough sound pressure).
This is not a criticism of white noise machines. They can do a lot but they have to be portable and that limits the speaker size.
If the footfalls in your apartment sound anything like mine, you want to deploy a much larger speaker, e.g., your home audio system or a subwoofer.
As described in my post, you can then also use an app like myNoise to produce these deep brown noises.
All the best.
Thank you so much for this article. I´m having the same exact problem and didn´t know what to do. Do you think Sony 1000XM2 would work as well? I can find it a little cheaper than 1000XM3.
Also, do you know any ear plugs that attenuate low frequencies?
Hello Ed,
the Sony 1000X-M2 headphones’s noise cancelling is very good; it is a bit weaker than the M3’s but not much. So I think they could be quite effective. Unfortunately, I currently don’t have the M2, otherwise I would have done a test.
When they came out, I tried them, and I remember the headband stood out a lot more. The M3 headband conforms better to the head.
Also, they weren’t quite as comfortable. Compared to the Bose QC35, the difference in wearing comfort was a lot larger than with the M3.
For that reason, I would go with the M3 if the price difference isn’t too large.
As to the earplugs, I find Flents Quiet Time quite effective. Please note, you need to insert foam earplugs quite deep for good low frequency performance.
Perhaps try deep brown noise together with earplugs first if you already have a good audio system.
All the best and let me know how it goes.
Hello,
How good is the Sony 1000X** for a 50hz hum?
Hi Pa,
The Sony WH-1000XM3 work well against a 50 Hz hum. I just tried them against a 50 Hz hum at 70dB and they rendered it virtually unnoticeable.
All the best.
Hello,
It seems that you are the most helpful expert in this part of the world.
I think people in our country (South Korea) would be really surprised to know this website.
I think all the writings are really neat and high-quality.
Thank you so much.
I have a question.
I went to a Sony store in Korea and bought the WH-1000XM4.
Could there a difference in the noise cancelling performance between different units?
My XM4’s ANC is definitely working, but when testing it with a generated 63Hz sound (65 dB average, Marshall speaker), the noise is still recognizable.
Of course, I finished NC optimization.
The ANC works because I can hear a very clear difference between ANC on and off.
Your m3 makes 50Hz (70dB) noise almost unrecognizable, but while my m4 cancels 63Hz (65dB), it remains recognizable.
And you said that you blocked 63Hz 65dB from being recognizable with Bose QC35 in your previous post (https://earo-plugs-shop.com/humming-noise-bedroom/%3C/a%3E%29.%3Cbr/%3E You just turned on ANC and didn’t play anything, right?
If it’s an individual difference, I honestly feel like getting an exchange… 🙁
Sam
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Hello Sam,
Thank you for your uplifting feedback.
I don’t know whether there is a noticeable performance difference between different M4 units. Given the price, I hope not but I only have one pair of M4 (and one pair of M3). I have, however, experienced a variance in the ANC of cheaper headphones from a different manufacturer (I was able to test 3 units of the same model), so it is possible.
If you are not satisfied with the performance, and it is easy to exchange the headphones, why not give that a try. Before doing that, I would make sure that you are on the latest firmware.
That said, there are also other things at work here:
1. The M4 (and the M3) perform indeed better at 50 Hz than at 60 Hz. For my M4, the ANC performance difference between 50 Hz and 60 Hz is about 5 decibels, which is substantial: a hum with a peak at 50 Hz is more effectively cancelled by the M4 than one at 60 Hz.
2. Our hearing is less sensitive at 50 Hz than at 60 Hz (and the curve is quite steep). The lower the frequency the more sound pressure you need to hear the sound. (Try adjusting your speaker volume at 60 Hz so that you can barely here the sound and then reduce the frequency to 50 Hz but keep the volume the same. Can you still hear the sound?)
3. There can be a large difference between different sound level measuring apps. Ideally you would need a calibrated sound level meter.
Note: the hum I experienced in the humming noise article is not the same as the pure tone that many sound generators generate and the peak was actually also at 50 Hz. Take a look at the second screenshot in that article to see that peak more clearly.
All the best.
Hello Helmut,
First I would like to appreciate you for writing this wonderful post. Whoever has ever experienced this footsteps problems will understand the importance of this post.
I have two elephants living upstairs with their unruly child. It’s a nightmare; always moving furniture; the child throws toys on the floor and runs around; stomping; thumping, etc. Because of the corona thing, I have to work from home as offices are closed. Right now I am using the 3M work tunes, which are Bluetooth headphones. They have passive noise isolation with a NRR of 24. They block out the noise of talking, the hum of refrigerator, and the washing machine noise completely. However, they are no good at cancelling this footsteps noise, which can be a real pain. I am going to try the Sony WH-1000XM3. Hope the ANC solves my problem during work.
As for sleeping, I use the HEAROS Xtreme Protection ear plugs that have a rating of NRR 33. Once they go in deep, even if the elephants above my head are dancing, I can’t hear a thing. At least I get a good night’s sleep.
Will keep everyone updated.
Y
Hello Y,
thank you for the detailed feedback.
I have both the Worktunes Bluetooth earmuffs and the Hearos foam earplugs you are mentioning.
In my experience, for low frequencies up to about 400 Hz, the Sony ANC headphones are a lot more effective than both the earmuffs and the earplugs.
It would be Sony > Hearos > Worktunes.
So if your footsteps sound similar to the sound sample in my post (i.e., ” umpf, umpf,” = the low frequency type), I expect you’ll get a lot more relief with the Sony.
As to moving furniture, if this means screeching noises caused by pulling chairs over a tiled floor or similar, you would get more mid- and even high-frequency noise. For this, your Worktunes earmuffs should be just as good or even better.
Apart from their ANC, the Sony headphones are also very decent at passively reducing noise (they are among the best over-ear headphones for this) but not as good as good earmuffs.
All the best.
Greetings,
I, too, have the herd of elephants living above me. I invested all my hard earned earnings to purchase this condo. I thought it was the home of my dreams, until it wasn’t, until I heard my neigbours above me, constantly, stomping and banging on the hardwood floors.
I forgot what it is like to experience peace! I approached them, thinking that perhaps they weren’t aware they were causing such a racket. They reported me to the Condo Police and threatened me with a hearing, etc. etc. revoking my privileges.
Who knew? I feel like I am living in hell or at least the gates of hell! When I made a complaint , they made it worse, literally stomping even louder and more often.
I am just starting to look at noise cancelling earphones. Lesson learned? Only purchase, rent, or lease a top floor! Hardwood floors might look great but if you are not on a top floor, reconsider. So glad for the post!
Hi,
Thanks for the detailed response.
I tried the following in the store: Sony WH-1000XM3, Bose 700, Bose 35 QCII, and BW PX7. Sony’s ANC beats the others hands down (Not a post for: build, sound quality, comfort, etc.). So I picked the Sony.
Works like a charm. All the low-frequency sounds are gone! I used an app on my phone to measure the frequencies at which this thumping, stomping, running, and footsteps sound occurred. Several peaks in range of about 75–80Hz to about 200–250Hz.
Also, as you correctly pointed out, they are also great at attenuating the mids and the highs and are as good as the ear muffs. Can’t hear talking or screeching as well.
To summarize, Sony’s WH-1000XM3 will give you a ton of relief (Complete relief for me—YMMV). If you sleep on the side like me, HEAROS work well.
Great stuff Helmut. Thanks once again.
Y
Hi Y,
Thanks for the heads up.
I am glad you have found relief from these obnoxious footsteps.
Looking at the frequencies you have measured: yes, Sony WH-1000XM3 are good at cancelling noise in that range. It is very helpful that you were able to report specific frequencies and that the noise reduction was enough.
As for screeching and talking, I’d like to add a comment so that other readers don’t get unrealistic expectations:
Yes, the Sony are good at passive noise isolation as well, so they do reduce this kind of noise too.
And as you have reported, in your case this noise reduction was enough.
However, at coffee shop noise level, you will hear some screeching and talking, albeit quieter. (if you don’t listen to a masking sound through the headphones.)
For mid-frequency noise (from about 400 Hz) the Sony headphones actually under-perform NRR 30 earmuffs.
(Unfortunately, even the muffs won’t completely eliminate loud chatter.)
On the other hand, with your headphones you can get much more relief from these low-freq. footfalls and more comfort.
Have a great day.
Hi,
Thank you for your article, I’m still experimenting with the brown noise.
My neighbor’s footfall is much louder than yours. I am not sure how they walk. How would you suggest adjusting the brown noise in the app? And I’m using a Bose Revolve speaker, and the app is quite soft even though it’s already half of the volume coming from my iPhone.
Unfortunately, even the most comfortable ear plugs put pressure on my ear canal and I have not been getting good sleep for 6 months. Appreciate your suggestion. Thank you.
Hi Eleen,
First, do your neighbor’s footfalls sound like the sounds in the recording (“umpf,” “umpf”)?
(You have to listen with headphones to hear the lower frequencies.)
If yes, then you have to focus on the bass frequencies as described in this post.
If they sound much higher pitched, skip to “klang,” “klang” below.
It is quite possible that the Bose Revolve doesn’t reproduce the bass frequencies with enough volume.
(If the speaker doesn’t get close enough to the footfall frequencies, you’ll still hear them even if you crank it up all the way.)
It is a nice speaker, but still quite small. I am thinking more Bose subwoofer size or large Hi-fi speaker.
If you have headphones, try the app with headphones first. Good headphones can reproduce much lower frequencies than the Revolve.
If you don’t have any and just want something to try this, the on-ear Panasonic RP-HT21 are usually very inexpensive and have a good bass response.
Don’t shy away from making it loud (temporarily) to see whether the footfalls are being masked when you crank up the brown noise via your headphones.
If they are being masked, you have to get a speaker that can reproduce the bass you need or keep using the headphones.
And you have to deal with the earplug-issue to lower the overall volume.
(I wouldn’t be able to sleep well with loud dark-brown noise without earplugs or another form of noise reducing device.)
Alternatively, you could try noise cancelling headphones (the Sony mentioned in this post if you are a back sleeper) or noise cancelling earbuds (unlike earplugs, they only go as deep as the ear canal entrance). I have recently reviewed a pair with very good low frequency noise reduction, the 1More Dual Driver ANC Pro (link to my review).
If you have normal headphones, use those first to see whether you are on the right track, or make sure you can return the noise cancellers if they don’t perform for you.
Now if your footfalls sound more like “klang,” “klang,” I would start with flat sliders in myNoise. That gives you pink noise.
Make it as loud as necessary to mask the footfalls. This may again be quite loud. You can increase the overall volume and move the sliders all the way up.
Then start moving the sliders down from the right (from the treble frequencies) until the footfalls just start coming back. Then go a bit higher to make them again disappear.
Now do the same from the left (the bass) in the same manner.
That gives you an idea of the settings you would need for footstep noise that extends into higher frequencies.
Again you would now ideally use earplugs to reduce the overall volume.
If this is not possible, you could again use noise cancelling headphones or earmuffs (not that comfy but some people do well with them) to lower the overall volume.
I hope this helps a bit.
All the best.
Hi, I have same problem with super heavy footsteps except I am already on the top floor and the noise is coming from the apartment next to me. Neighbor also slams his doors. I have tried playing the dark brown noise, which helps a small amount, but I think my next step is to try louder volume. Could you recommend the PC speaker system that you used with your Evo? I have also purchased the Evo white noise machine, but it is not loud enough on its own 🙁
Hi Mary,
It is important that the brown noise / white noise matches the frequency spectrum of what you want to mask (i.e., it needs to sound like the footsteps, albeit continuous) and that it is louder than the footsteps.
The speaker in this article is actually a portable PA (professional audio) speaker, not a PC speaker.
It is large (10x11x25 inches) and geared towards outdoor singing and events. It has a built-in lead-acid battery (like a car).
I used this speaker because I already had it for a different purpose (but it can produce lower frequencies than the Lectrofan and it can do so at a sufficient volume). It is powerful, but not the best sounding for home audio.
I recommend you use a home stereo system instead, such as a decent subwoofer with two satellite speakers.
If you are unsure whether this can work for you in principle, you could use headphones first (good ones can produce the frequencies you need). If you don’t have any, the very inexpensive Panasonic RP-HT21 (should be on Amazon) have a good bass response.
Connect your headphones to your EVO. Play the EVO, starting from white noise #1 and set it loud to mask the footsteps. If you hit max. volume, but still hear the footsteps, cycle through the white noises until you find the one that masks the footsteps best.
(Alternatively, you can also try the app mentioned in the article.)
If this looks good, I recommend one of these approaches:
1. Keep using these headphones (and perhaps wear earplugs underneath).
2. If you are a back sleeper, noise cancelling headphones like the Sony mentioned in the post will help a lot because they reduce the footsteps and door slamming so you will be able to play your white noise much quieter than with normal headphones.
3. Use your home stereo system or buy one (subwoofer + two satellites). Again I would wear earplugs to reduce the overall noise level. This approach may be attractive for side sleepers.
Let me know how it goes.
All the best.
Just want to say you saved our lives here! After four happy years, we got a new upstairs who (between he, his GF, and their against-building-reg cat) take shifts thumping 24/7. It’s fine during the day, since we both already wear noise cancelling headphones for work, but has been killing our sleep. Until, that is, we applied your instructions above to our Sonos One.
55 db measured-at-pillow was just enough to make the unexpected foot-falls melt into the background of “normal” NYC ambient sounds, complemented by the fan we’ve always run for white noise. I’m waking up today with the first good night rest I’ve had in a long time!
My only Q is you say “This setup should also work without earplugs, but I would not listen to constant noise that loud throughout the night.” I can’t wear earplugs without getting major irritation unfortunately. If I bump things up to 60 am I taking a risk of some kind? My brief research suggests not but want to make sure I’m not missing anything!
Hello JCD,
Thank you for your feedback. I am glad it’s helping.
As to your question, re playing white noise at up to 60 dB without earplugs.
For adults, the main issue I currently see is possible sleep disruption. Unfortunately, I can’t guarantee that there aren’t any others.
I sleep better when I keep the white noise at a lower sound level. The earplugs take care of that for me.
On the other hand, I have also suffered from prolonged insomnia caused by thumping noises, and I found that to be worse, much worse.
So, personally, if I couldn’t wear earplugs at all, I would try white noise at the level you are suggesting. But that’s me.
FYI, there has been a short-term 60 dB white noise study that looked into helping people to sleep better amidst loud intermittent ICU noise.
The result: Despite increasing the average overall sound level, adding white noise significantly reduced the number of arousals. The difference was substantial.
Here are two more posts you might find helpful:
https://earo-plugs-shop.com/how-loud-white-noise-sleep/%3C/a%3E (white noise for adults)
https://earo-plugs-shop.com/white-noise-sleep/%3C/a%3E (with references to the ICU noise study)
One more idea: Have you also tried silicone putty earplugs? They are not the greatest “thump noise reducers,” but could still help to lower the overall sound level.
All the best.
Thank you sooo much for your article. So much great information. I don’t feel quite so alone, especially reading all of the other comments made! I too have new neighbours who are elephants. They are both very heavy. They sleep in separate rooms so I can’t even use my spare room for respite! The main problem is sudden and sporadic ‘bangs’ on the floorboards, like bowling balls falling from a great height. And the windows being opened and slammed shut throughout the night to allow for [admin edit] puffing. I’m a night owl, going to bed at midnight, but the male is already in the room above me at that time, and the crashing about will go on until he conks out at 4am if I’m lucky.
I have a Lectrofan but just the original, not the Evo. It has been a life-saver. I have it on a fan setting just now, pretty loud. But have to wear pink noise at a medium volume in my headphones throughout the night too. I’d prefer not to wear the headphones as I don’t feel it’s good for my ears, but find it hard to tune into the machine as he’s already stomping about when I go to bed. I’m wondering if my placement of the machine could be better to drown out more noise? The windows are to the left of my bed, but I place the Lectrofan about a foot away from the end of my bed on the right hand side of the room (just because it is convenient as there is a dresser there). Any advice would be much appreciated. You are saving lives with this post Helmut! (Ps the Lectrofan original does not have a headphone jack point).
Hello Lucy,
I wish we could all live on the top floor or just swap floors with the neighbors for a few nights to show them.
If I understand you right, you have your Lectrofan at the foot end of your bed.
I put the Lectrofan on my nightstand pretty close to where my head comes to rest. I would try that.
That way it is easier to experiment with different sounds and volume levels and see whether the machine can do the job.
Since you are able to help yourself with additional pink noise played via headphones, it is also possible that the Lectrofan’s speaker doesn’t produce low-enough frequencies to mask the low-frequency noise your upstairs neighbors create. (That is what I found in my case.)
The EVO has a headphone jack, but its speaker doesn’t go lower than the Classic’s (I have both), so you would again end up using headphones.
If you have a larger home audio speaker (or even a subwoofer), try playing your pink noise or an even more low-frequency-emphasizing brown noise (e.g., created by myNoise) as described in this post via that speaker to mask your upstairs neighbor and get rid of your headphones.
You may even find that combining the Lectrofan on your nightstand for the mid frequencies with a larger speaker further away for the lower end to work best.
(Then, if you need, you could add earplugs to lower the overall volume.)
I understand this sounds like a bit of a hassle, but it did the trick for me.
All the best.
Hi Helmut!
Thank you so much for the suggestions! You are right, the Lectrofan is at the foot of my bed. I think I will try to put it on my nightstand tonight, nearer to my bed. I’ll look into a subwoofer too. Thank you. Oh, I think that suggestion would work wonders. I was lucky to have 3.5 years of peace in my flat before the elephants came to town! But in future I’ll look for a top floor flat!
Thank you again,
Lucy
Hello Helmut,
I’m not sure if you received my reply that I left during the week. But I just wanted to give you an update. I’ve repositioned my Lectrofan to my bedside table, and have it on the first white noise setting, which is brown noise and the lowest frequency (which you recommended). I put it up high, and put earplugs in, as you’d also recommended. Well, I’ve done this for 3 nights, and slept 9hrs each night. I can’t quite believe it. I’ve not been disturbed by the neighbours at all. You don’t realise how much your article means to me, and your advice. I honestly thought I’d never find a solution to this, and would have to wait until the chunky couple split. Thank you, thank you, thank you. I’d forgotten what it’s like to have a good night’s sleep!
Hello Lucy,
Thank you for coming back and providing feedback. It is very uplifting to hear the post is making a difference.
I am glad you have found a solution. Wow, three days in a row nine hours of sleep! I envy you.
Have a great day.
Hi Lucy, Did you hook the Lectrofan up to a subwoofer like he suggested or just played it from it’s own speaker? I am too having an issue with heavy walkers upstairs that apparently never sleep because it goes on all night & day. I also have a guest room that I cannot utilize because the stomping is going on above both bedrooms!! Thank you!
Hi Helmut, firstly you are a true genius and life-saver to so many – thank you for such an educated and useful article!
I have been using some of your suggestions since we have extremely inconsiderate and almost intentionally loud stomping (jumping?) and running neighbors upstairs. We tried everything first (went with cookies and greetings), subtle requests and even reporting to the community but nothing has worked so far. I would have normally switched to experimenting with your suggestion with creating brown and white noise but I have a slightly unique challenge unfortunately. We are expecting our first baby next month and the current constant untimely hours stomping wakes up and affects my wife’s health and sleep. I am even more worried about what happens when the baby comes and the white/brown noise at high volumes being bad for their hearing possibly?
I was thinking of instead accurately recording the severity of their noise so I am able to push them or the community to try and make them understand (and spare me for a couple of months until the baby is slightly old and we can move out if possible).
Appreciate your suggestions on how to record these sounds appropriately for showing evidence of their noise/impact.
Best,
RK
Hello RK,
Thank you for your encouraging feedback.
I second that: record the stomping noise. Since you are regularly exposed to stomping, you should have a good chance to capture some good samples.
I think most people are easier convinced when they hear the noise than when they see abstract sound levels in decibels, even when precisely logged.
You need to use full-spectrum recording because you also want to capture low frequency noise. Some voice recording software (and hardware) will filter lower frequencies to reduce background noise.
And, when you replay the sounds, use headphones / ask the people you want to take note to use headphones.
Small phone speakers can’t reproduce low-frequency stomping properly!
I have used Voice Record Pro by Dayana Networks for iOS (App store) quite a bit.
Use record quality: high
M4A (AAC) 44100 Hz, 16 Bit Stereo (wav files get large quick)
The built-in microphone of an iPhone or iPad should be good enough for this.
I have a calibrated external measuring microphone, but have done plenty of good recordings with the built-in mic.
You want to be ready at a moment’s notice.
Level check to adjust the input gain while you hear stomping so that the peaks are between -6 and -3 dB.
Then press Record.
All the best. I hope you can get some relief.
Helmut, I just want to start by thanking you for such a fabulous website. It’s almost ridiculous the amount of time I’ve spent doing research on noise disrupting my sleep, and I can say that your articles have by far been the most helpful.
For one, I discovered how much difference it made to insert my earplugs deeper and with more care. Thank you.
I would love to get your take on my current conundrum. The previously vacant upstairs has had people for several months now and I am many months sleep deprived. It is greatly impacting my health. Deeper insertion with earplugs has helped somewhat, but I am trying to figure out my next step. (The footsteps is the main part, but dropping things, sliding doors, kitchen clanging, and dogs scampering are all a part of it). I don’t own any speakers, standard or subwoofer.
I’m both a side and stomach sleeper. I’m trying to figure out if I should buy ANC earbuds and play brown noise through those, buy over-the-ear ANC to wear over my earplugs (and just learn to sleep with them), or buy a cheaper standard (non noise cancelling) on-ear headset to play brown noise over my earplugs (and learn to sleep)?
I’m more concerned with the noise part then the sleep comfort right now.
The last thing to note, and also why I’d love your thoughts, is that I want a wired headset without Bluetooth. I’m EMF sensitive so this is important for me- I get sick otherwise. Finding an older version on eBay might be the way to go for the ANC varieties as that would be wired and cheaper, but I don’t know how well they perform.
I would appreciate so much any thoughts on this matter. Thank you immensely!
Hello Eve,
From your description, it sounds to me like you are exposed to both low frequency as well as higher frequency noise.
My first step would be to swap out the earplugs to further optimize low frequency noise reduction (i.e., reduce stomping noises). Depending on your ear canal, your earplugs might not give you the optimum, regardless of how deep you insert them.
If you haven’t yet, try the cylindrical Flents Quiet Please (here is a post with low frequency noise test results for these and other earplugs.)
Find an impact noise source in your apartment to test how well your plugs work and play with the fit.
To test this, I often slam the door of my fridge’s freezer compartment (in the daytime), which produces a nice, full “bumm sound.”
With the Quiet Please well inserted, the sound turns into something meek, more like “bing,” i.e., the lower frequencies have been attenuated well.
If this works for the stomping, and you find that now mid-or-high frequency noise is coming through too loud, add a white noise machine to mask these frequencies. I recommend the Lectrofan Classic (review post; it has no Bluetooth or any kind of radio) for this purpose.
That way you could alternate between stomach and side sleeping without any issues.
Almost all active noise cancelling earbuds have weak points in their ability to reduce noise.
Some very good ones reduce a certain narrow low frequency range by 30 decibels (e.g., the wired Bose QC20), which is great for use cases like commuting, but offer much less noise reduction in the lower mids, perhaps only 15 decibels. Moreover, there are very few ANC earbud alternatives without Bluetooth on the market. (The QC20 are the only wired ones I would consider.)
They could be OK against some stomping noise, but your noise portfolio sounds quite broad to me.
You could perhaps make them work but would likely have to play your brown noise loud to compensate for the weaknesses. Since you don’t mind earplugs, I would try other foam earplugs first.
Wearing over-ear noise cancelling headphones on top of foam earplugs is a different story:
That could give you a lot more overall noise reduction as well as add to the earplugs in the low frequency range.
Since you need wired-only, the Bose QC25 come to mind. I find them very comfy. They are the most effective strictly-wired ANC headphones I am aware of (no Bluetooth). They use a replaceable AAA battery, which I consider an advantage.
I have often used such a setup on long distance flights. Like with any used item, make sure that you get a pair that is in good working order and that you can return them if they are faulty.
They could be worn on top of your earplugs and you could add white noise on top of that.
The main issue I see with this solution is sleeping on the side. If you must sleep on the side, try the headphones with a horseshoe-shaped travel pillow.
Normal over-ear and on-ear headphones without ANC are also worth a try. They can work on top of earplugs and would be more economical.
On the other hand, good ANC headphones work a lot better in the low frequency range, in case your earplugs don’t reduce enough. They also passively isolate pretty well and add to the overall noise reduction.
Let me know how it goes.
Hello Helmut,
I don’t know whether u got my earlier comment.
I am having sleep problem in the morning due to footstep noise from upstairs.
It’s not that loud but being a light sleeper I get disturbed. I moved here a month ago. At first, there was no problem but since a week, I started noticing it. Now that I know the noise is there, I even wake up in anticipation. I have used a fan, but I can still feel it.
Will the Lectrofan be effective? I don’t think I can use earplugs. My ears hurt with them. Please help.
Hello S Ray,
I don’t know what kind of footstep noise you are hearing, but if it sounds like the stomping noise in the sample in this post (listen with headphones), the Lectrofan will likely not work all by itself.
You would have to use good foam earplugs to get rid of the lower frequency parts.
If it is more like “tapping noise,” you have a better chance with the Lectrofan.
If you don’t have a larger speaker try this:
Use good headphones/earbuds and play white noise through the app mentioned in this post. You can also go to the website.
Please check this post carefully for details.
You need headphones which allow you to hear the noise produced by the dark brown, and, in particular the red slider in the app at a good volume.
First go with the default setting (which should be pink noise) and increase the volume until the pink noise masks the footsteps.
If this succeeds, adjust the sliders down to zero starting from the left.
After each slider, check whether the footsteps are coming back.
If the footsteps come back after the first and second sliders (brown, red) are down to zero, the Lectrofan most likely won’t work.
If they only come back after the orange slider is also down to zero, you have perhaps a 40 percent chance with the Lectrofan.
If they only come back after the left-most green slider is set to zero, you have a good chance, provided the footsteps are not too loud.
In any case, you can now also use the headphones to mask the footsteps or get some in which you can sleep. You should also have a better idea whether the Lectrofan can solve your problem.
If you succeed with the headphones but find the white noise too loud, consider using active noise cancelling headphones. They can make a big difference and would allow you to play the noise at a lower volume.
All the best.
Thank you so much for providing this guidance. I used to go to bed at 1am, because one of my neighbors would loudly walk around until then. But another neighbor’s footsteps would wake me up at 6am. Consistently getting only 5 hours of sleep, and being startled awake by heavy footsteps, was starting to wear on me and impact my mood, my work, my life.
I tried to speak to some of my neighbors, but while they were apologetic, they weren’t willing to make any changes.
I tried putting a thick sound dampening mat under my bed, rubber strips under my wooden mattress slats, and using the Dohm white noise machine, but I was still waking up to footsteps.
I found your article and immediately downloaded the myNoise app and grabbed my UE Wonderboom 2 bluetooth speaker. The “deep brown” white noise, paired with the bass-heavy speaker, totally worked for me! It masked the heavy heel-strike footsteps enough to keep me asleep. I feel so invigorated right now after a quality night of sleep.
I am incredibly grateful for your research. Thank you for sharing your findings with us! Thank you thank you thank you!
Hello Willa,
thank you for your feedback. I am glad it is working for you.
The Dohm’s sound is loudest in the mid frequencies, which some people find very soothing.
My experience concurs with yours: that sound isn’t well suited for masking stomping noises (and other lower frequency sounds).
All the best.
Thank you for posting this! It is much appreciated! I’m going to try the options you’ve listed. Best regards!
Thank you for stopping by Jana.
Have a great day.
Hi Helmut!
I am excited to try this to see if it works for me. I don’t have a large speaker like you have, but I do have a JBL Extreme 3 bluetooth speaker. Do you think that’d be as effective?
I read some comments about different ear plugs I am going to try. Thank you for this! I have been sleep deprived for 7+ months now. The people above me stomp around ALL night.
Hi Shannon,
You already have your JBL speaker, so it is definitely worth a try.
I just looked at the specs and it looks like a fairly powerful speaker.
I expect it to produce lower frequencies than the Lectrofan (and at a higher volume if needed).
Try myNoise (take a look at the EQ settings in this post) and just stream from your phone to the speaker. (myNoise is available for iPhone and Android. Link in the post.)
You don’t need a Lectrofan EVO to produce the brown noise. The app can produce the frequencies and you can use its EQ to fine tune the noise for your speaker.
Should your earplugs not work well enough, also take a look at the post How to Make Your Earplugs Block More Low Frequency Noise.
All the best.
My only concern with the ear plugs and white noise machine is not hearing my alarm clock go off in the morning.
Hello Sean,
I understand this concern. I have some ideas how to remedy this in the post How to Hear Your Alarm Clock with Earplugs.
But yes, to not hear someone stomping in an upstairs apartment, you may have to seriously isolate yourself.
All the best.
Hello Helmut,
Your page comforts me so much. I moved into a new flat, and my room is just under the room of two kids who like to run and stomp on the floor. I can’t focus and study or just relax.
The good thing is that around 8pm they go to sleep so the nights are quiet until 7/8am when they wake up every morning. What a pain to be waking up from deep sleep.
I have been addicted to white noise (vacuum, hair dryer sounds) for many years, but I have never tried brown noise. Is there any difference?
I want to buy ANC headphones: Bose 700 or Sony wh-1000XM5. Which ones are the best in your opinion? THe XM3 that you have can be good too but if I can get a new model with better performances, I’ll gladly buy it for my mental health and peace.
I am also considering the Hearos Earplugs in combination with ANC headphones even though I am not used to this at all.
I have listened to the noise samples, and it sounds kind of like this when they walk above me. It’s an old building and they are living on the top floor, so my ceiling is very low and less soundproof compared to others apartments in the building.
An answer will be more than welcome 🙂
Cheers from Germany!
Hello Thierry,
these unpredictable stomping noises are amongst the worst.
As to brown noise, compared to white noise and pink noise it has more energy in the bass frequencies. Its intensity decreases much faster as the frequency increases, so it sounds darker. This is good if you need to mask more bass-heavy sounds like stomping.
I recommend you download the myNoise app and just play with the settings. Use your current headphones/earbuds. That will give you a good feel for the sound. Select brown noise and then adjust the EQ to get an even darker sound.
As for noise cancelling headphones, at this point, against stomping I would get the WH-1000XM4.
I have both the M3 and the M4. After testing and using them for quite a while, I can say that the M4 are a somewhat more effective in the low frequency range, but they share the same fold-able design with the M3. They also have a couple of other advantages such as multipoint pairing.
I have only briefly tried the M5 in a shop but I am holding off.
Currently, their auto ANC optimization cannot be disabled, which in some cases can lead to worse performance in the low frequency range. In your particular case, you want to fend off sudden noises and not have the headphones possibly decide that you don’t need maximum noise cancellation at that particular moment.
I think there is a chance that the M5 might receive a firmware update that allows for more control and manual optimization (as you can do with the M4 and M3) but I obviously can’t know for sure.
All the best.
I have found that I can run a waterfall sound (mixed with some pink noise) from the “Sleep Sounds” android app into my iLoud studio monitor speaker (which is small but still has good bass response down to 40 Hz) and it works better than brown noise. Having a wired connection to a dedicated phone has gotten around the BLE and android drop outs that used to wake me. The waterfall sound in this app, seems to have “splooshes” of water on semi-random intervals that are similar to a footfall impact. This way even if the footfalls come through some, they aren’t that different from the impacts inherent in the waterfall recording that are semi-random, and so they don’t “pop out” and wake me up.
Hi Isaac,
many thanks for your feedback.
Indeed, many sounds can be used to mask footfalls, the most important point being that your sound has enough energy in the frequencies most prominent in the footstep sounds you have in your house.
I have experimented quite a bit with a variety of different sounds, including waterfalls sounds and underwater sounds against low-frequency thumps.
A potential issue with “splooshes” is that they can become startling all by themselves (in particular with low-frequency heavy waterfalls), which is why I typically use and recommend a more steady customized brown noise (see EQ screenshot in this post). Too much variation keeps me from getting into a deeper sleep stage.
But people are different. I am glad you have found something that works for you.
All the best.
Omg I have the exact same problem. The first recording of the footsteps you put up on this website sounds eerily like what I am experiencing 🙂
I am somewhat luckier that the sound don’t come when I am sleeping. More during day time when I am working from home. It is not loud, just super irritating like a co-worker kicking on the legs of your office desk every few minutes. I need a lot of focus for my work and it drives me crazy sometimes.
I will definitely try the methods discussed here. Thanks a million !!!
Hello Elirion,
Thank you for stopping by and sharing your experience.
Yes, during the day, you definitely have more options. Over-ear ANC headphones, for example, are challenging for side sleeping, but I can wear them for many hours sitting at my desk.
I hope you find relief. All the best.